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To start with a bit of history, this site was actually added to the queue for graduation in roughly October/November of 2013 (less than a year after private beta!). At the time there was no procedure for graduating beta sites without creating a custom site design, and the design team was rather understaffed with several other sites ahead of us, so we had to wait for them to do something. A couple years later in 2015, a procedure was created for graduating sites independent of designs, and this happened fairly quickly here after the new policy was put in place. If you read that post, you will see that we still expected to wait a few months for a site design, and that in particular the reputation thresholds for privileges would remain in place until the new design arrived (most other changes happened immediately). I'm not sure exactly what the reason was for coupling only these two aspects of graduation (some information can be found at Feedback Requested: Design-Independent Graduation and in other MSE posts and meta sites graduating at the same time but there does not seem to be a perfectly clear answer, and even at the time among the community team not everyone agreed), but at the time no one here was complaining much about it since this was a clear improvement over the previous policy.

It's now been well over a year since that announcement. Collectively, we've been waiting over 3 years for a site design (and the corresponding threshold increases), and I've seen no updates recently to suggest that this is any more likely to happen now than it was 3 years ago when we were first contacted by someone in the design team. Meanwhile multiple sites which did not even exist at that time have had designs made. Every other site which was in the queue with us has long-since been designed. Of the newer sites which have been graduated without a design, Code Golf has had the longest wait, and they haven't even been waiting a full year yet. By far we're the most extreme case in the network, and during that 3 year period numerous other changes have happened on this site. When design-independent graduation was first implemented it was never intended to be a long-term state like it has been here, and in such a long-term case it seems to no longer make sense to tie other changes to the design.


To be perfectly honest, I actually don't care very much about the site's design itself (though I certainly can't speak for everyone on this and I think it would not be unreasonable for other users here to be upset about this situation). It would be nice to have a good design, but I understand why it's particularly difficult to come up with something satisfactory for this site. There are at least 3 different groups you have to satisfy with the design. First, questions here are divided, with many questions about popular mainstream series, but still a fairly significant fraction in the long tail of questions on works which few are knowledgeable about. Some users here come only for the big name series like Naruto and Dragon Ball, which obviously tend to attract the most traffic and answers. Others (including me) come almost exclusively for the smaller works, and at least personally I'd argue that this is where we've really improved Q&A coverage versus other sites on the network with overlapping scope such as Science Fiction & Fantasy and Movies & TV. Between these two there is some common ground, but not much. There's also the broader SE community who can end up here in a few ways, and as such we need something at least a bit unique and clearly anime/manga-themed. The strategy used on Arqade and Movies was to have a classic look, but I don't think that would work at all here. Other major anime/manga themed sites like MyAnimeList and Anime News Network have fairly bland designs, but fill in the space with a lot of images of specific works and advertisements, but that wouldn't really work either. My answer here is basically about the same issue, and I don't think views on this have changed since then.

So I'm not really sure what a good design would look like. It also doesn't seem like the kind of thing that the design team's experience would be likely to help with, because the problems here are intrinsically related to our site's content and scope, not artistic issues, and I doubt anyone on the design team is specifically an expert on our site's content. The one thing I think almost everyone can agree on is that a bad design, which overly emphasizes only a small subset of the community here, would end up worse than our existing look (just imagine if it's designed primarily based on a genre/work that you actively dislike). The current look isn't anything special, but it's perfectly functional and neutral. I don't think creating a design for this site is an impossible problem, but it isn't one that I know the solution to, and the design team seems to have come to the same conclusion. As such (and as they've had plenty of other work to prioritize ahead of us, especially considering the answer here which suggests that many more sites may "graduate" to a similar state as ours, allowing the design team to backlog our design effectively indefinitely) it hasn't happened and doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon.


However, if graduation without a design is going to be the de facto standard on this site for years (possibly even forever for all we know at this point), it does not seem reasonable to me to keep the rep thresholds at the low levels of a beta site. Hence, I am requesting that the rep levels be increased to the standard graduated site levels here now, regardless of when (or even if) a design is made for the site. Most importantly, editing would be reserved for 2k users and close voting for 3k users, rather than 1k and 500 respectively on the current site.

I argued almost 3 years ago that we needed more high-rep users to be ready to graduate. In that time, the numbers have changed drastically; now I think we have the opposite problem where we have too many users at the low beta-level rep thresholds. That's not to say that I think any users in particular are doing a bad job, but higher rep users could easily handle everything that comes up, and will on average probably have a better understanding of site policies and what constitutes high-quality content here. I'm also worried that the lower rep thresholds discourage extended participation on the site. Certainly this happened for me, so I'm speaking partly from first-hand experience. Roughly when I hit 10k rep, I decided to stop answering questions which I thought others on the site could handle without me. Without higher rep targets to hit, and with few questions that only I knew the answer to (and many newer users who weren't around since day 1 finding it difficult to gain rep), it was rare to find a situation where I cared to answer. Actually many of the highest rep users on the site are not posting that regularly now, so I don't think I'm alone in this (though this is a separate issue which probably deserves its own meta post). In my case you could partly attribute this to other factors but I think in general if the rep thresholds were higher, we'd overall see more Q&A participation from all users.

I guess this change is probably at least somewhat controversial. Having 20k rep myself I'd be mostly unaffected, but many mid-level rep users would probably be somewhat upset to see their long-held privileges removed suddenly, especially without a site design. However personally I'm convinced that, for the long-term health of this site, this needs to happen eventually regardless of whether we ever get a design, and if it's going to happen anyway it might as well happen now.

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    it would be good to have post-grad rep requirements. to me these pre-grad rep thresholds gives off the feeling we're still in beta (ignoring the lack of custom design) – Memor-X Feb 16 '17 at 5:44
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    @Memor-X Yes, I agree. The practical effects of our graduation have been removing the "beta" label (mostly inconsequential), moderator elections (where we elected mostly the same people we had during beta as moderators), community ads (okay but mostly inconsequential), and a spot in the footer (nice but not crucial). The biggest functional change of graduation (in the old sense) in the day-to-day workings of the site is the threshold increases, and without those our "graduation" does not really seem complete at all. The design is also a big part, but not an absolutely necessary one in my view. – Logan M Feb 16 '17 at 6:08
  • The topic of Design-Independent Graduation was revisited internally recently, and we're evaluating some options that might further decouple the various moving parts involved. More updates to come as we make progress on this ;) – JNat Feb 16 '17 at 19:10
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    @JNat Yes, I figured that there might be changes soon when I read the answer at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/283663. That was part of the reason I posted this now. If changes are going to happen with this process I think this site is a very important example case to consider. Our experience of continuing without a design for so long is quite unique in the network. That either constitutes a failure of the design-independent graduation process (supposed to give the design team more time, not backlog them indefinitely) or a new model for it (where the design is ultimately optional). – Logan M Feb 17 '17 at 17:17
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The reputation thresholds have been raised since April 30, 2019, at the same time Anime & Manga Stack Exchange got its site design

It's been a long time coming and I’m excited to share what the design team came up with for our community! \o/ You can see it live in the site now (along with updated reputation thresholds), but here are some screenshots too:

(Emphasis mine)

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I wanted to update everyone on what I've been working on because I've seen many discussions, proposals, and improvised solutions about how the Community Team might allocate various "graduation" features with or without a custom design (e.g. increased reputation threshold, elections, migrations, etc).

There hasn't really been a comprehensive solution regarding how this would work sustainably juggling ~173 sites, much less deciding which sites would be eligible and when/how it would get implemented. So efforts to handle each request one site at a time has been caught up in indecision, confusion, and back logs… which does not work. This request is almost two years old, arg.

I'm taking a different approach.

I've taken it upon myself to write up a comprehensive (i.e. sane <grin>) entire-site life cycle workflow which would include breaking apart everything once bundled up under "graduation", and enabling each feature as soon as a site can support it. It's roughly based on the premise I outlined here — But what happened to Graduation?.

It's hard to say yet how well it will be received in its first draft. Completion and full implementation would likely be at least a few months out, but I suspect this has a much better chance of getting this community what it needs rather than waiting for action on this aging, one-off request.

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Just as an example, for your consideration.

anime                               cooking
pre-grad        post-grad           pre-grad        post-grad
(current)       (would be)          (would've been) (current)
rep     users   rep     users       rep     users   rep     users
4000    36      20000   7           4000    71      20000   13
2000    58      10000   13          2000    144     10000   22
1000    150     2000    58          1000    263     2000    144
350     310     500     210         350     850     500     560

Remember that these numbers don't mean all of these users are to this day active on either sites, so the actual number of people meeting these requirements and utilizing these tools is a percentage of that.

  • 4,000 (20,000 at graduation) trusted user Expanded editing, deletion and undeletion privileges.

  • 2,000 (10,000) access to moderator tools Access reports, delete questions, review reviews.

  • 1,000 (2,000) edit questions and answers Edits to any question or answer are applied immediately.

  • 350 (500) access review queues Access first posts and late answers review queues.


My personal opinion is with such low activity as we have here, reducing the number of users who are capable of moderating the site will not lead to any benefit. At best only a few users will try to look for things to improve and earn a bit of rep to gain access to the tools they've had before, and at worst (and this is I think the most likely scenario) we'll see a rise of rep-farming activity which will bring down overall content quality, and this is all for basically no good reason.

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    I see your point but I disagree. After banning ID requests our incoming posts are down to 1/3 of what they were before. We don't need many users at all to handle things at 4 Q/D, and I don't see any reason to think that having more changes anything other than slightly delaying closing/deleting posts (not a big deal so long as they're dealt with properly). – Logan M Feb 17 '17 at 5:00
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    As for "rep-farming", I'm not actually sure what that constitutes on a site like this (unlike SO). We simply don't have people getting thousands of rep solely by posting low-quality content, and I don't see how you could. To me anything which increases participation is a good thing, and if just posting a lot constitutes "rep-farming" then probably almost all high-rep users are guilty of this. If people are getting rep by making low-quality posts, that's a bigger problem, but it has to do with the voting system, not with moderation options. – Logan M Feb 17 '17 at 5:02
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    This is somewhat of a separate problem, but I, personally, don't even know what constitutes good content over here anymore. I hardly see anything I like here anymore. But I do still see a decent amount of garbage that needs to be dealt with, and it's the same five people always dealing with it–and if we lock them out by raising the rep thresholds, the garbage lays around longer. There's probably no longer enough of it to choke the site, but it's still not a good image. – Torisuda Feb 17 '17 at 5:57
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    @Torisuda When would you rather this change happen then? If quality content is becoming rarer (not sure I agree with this appraisal), that doesn't seem like a problem which will fix itself on its own magically in a couple years. It's something that we should try to find a way to improve now. So I don't think the proper solution to this issue (if you do see it as an issue) is just to continue waiting for something to change which we don't really know if it will ever happen or what it would look like... – Logan M Feb 17 '17 at 8:31
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    ... I also don't think it's likely that the number of users moderating questions will drastically increase any time soon. It seems more plausible to me that if the need arises, some inactive members will step up their game a bit. That said, I'm not saying it will be a completely smooth transition. We may be in for a bit of a rude awakening, and for a few months moderation (especially close voting) may end up a fair bit slower. But it's an awakening that's been put off far too long already in my view, and I can't see any reason to keep putting it off any longer. – Logan M Feb 17 '17 at 8:32
  • @LoganM I don't know. Perhaps I have a skewed view of the site since I solely inhabit that long tail of posts unrelated to Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, and One Punch Man. I'm honestly not sure we'll ever be big enough that I would be satisfied raising the rep thresholds. Speaking solely for myself, as things currently sit, I gain reputation so slowly that if the thresholds were raised I might lose any desire to participate in this site at all and concentrate my energy elsewhere. That's not a threat or anything, it's just something I could foresee happening on its own. – Torisuda Feb 17 '17 at 13:58
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    The reputation threshold system's values were calibrated for high activity sites like StackOverflow, which we aren't and we don't have nearly enough activity for users to be able to reach these rep levels in a comparable amount of time and effort. So I don't see why we should try to imitate a very different site in this regard. I agree with Torisuda's argument about this effectively locking out some of the active editors out of their available tools being not a good idea. – Hakase Feb 17 '17 at 20:07

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